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Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
I think Coughlin is definately on the hot seat, in fact this week's game in Green Bay could be critical to his future with the Gmen.
If we win, all the talk will go away and we are likely in the playoffs.
lose and we are likely out of the playoff race. But there will be a lot of talk about a possible firing.
Coughlin is a heck of a coach, but I think the front office could decide it is time to move on.
If we win, all the talk will go away and we are likely in the playoffs.
lose and we are likely out of the playoff race. But there will be a lot of talk about a possible firing.
Coughlin is a heck of a coach, but I think the front office could decide it is time to move on.

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
from ESPN.com
Tom Coughlin hears the criticism
December, 23, 2010
I've had that uncomfortable conversation with New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin about job security before. It was a topic of discussion this past offseason based on the Giants' second-half collapse in '09.
Coughlin is normally resolute in saying he wants all the heat on him, but on Wednesday, he admitted to ESPNNewYork.com that the criticism can get a little noisy at times.
"I try not to let that be bothersome to me, but it's really difficult to ignore it," Coughlin told Ian O'Connor. "Every time we lose a game, that stuff comes up."
That sounds a bit different than what we're used to from Coughlin. He's known as one of the top motivators in the league, so it's a little odd when he admits that the criticism might be affecting him. I agree with O'Connor that Coughlin shouldn't be fired if the Giants miss the playoffs, but it could happen. We've heard co-owner John Mara dismiss reports that the New York Giants are on Bill Cowher's Christmas wish list, but it's not like Mara has said unequivocally that Coughlin will return in 2011.
Cowher experienced the best job security this league has to offer while working for the Rooneys in Pittsburgh. I believe John Mara and Steve Tisch are fond of Coughlin, but they don't have the patience of a Dan Rooney. Coughlin earned the benefit of the doubt with that title in '07, but a coach can lose that a lot quicker in the New York market.
"It's part of the business and there's nothing I'm going to say to change it," Coughlin said. "Win games, and it goes away. We won three in a row and nobody was saying anything about [my job]. So we've got to go win games, and I understand it. I've been in it long enough to understand.
"You've got to go win, and that's what this is all about. And we didn't win last week, so here comes the speculation again."
When he won that first Super Bowl with the Giants, Bill Parcells was a made man in the Meadowlands. The same can't be said for Parcells' close friend and protege, Coughlin. If he loses to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday afternoon, you can guarantee that the Cowher speculation will reach a new level.
It's not fair to Coughlin, but it's the reality of the situation.

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
from espn.com
Speculation on the job security of New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin has generally been that he's safe. But with another late-season fade, he might not be.
Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News takes a realistic view of Coughlin's career, noting that in five out of six of Coughlin's seasons as head coach, the team has either crumbled down the stretch, been crushed in the first round of the playoffs, or both. In fact, it may be the Super Bowl championship run of 2008 that has saved the man thus far, as those late season collapses have "become an unfortunate staple of the Coughlin Era," in Vacchiano's words.
Given the uncertainty of the offseason ahead -- and the fact that Coughlin only has one year left on his contract -- we tend to think he's pretty safe. But an embarrassing plunge out of the playoff mix over these last two weeks could change that. Should he be let go, the Giants -- with their core of talent -- would be atop any free agent head coach's wish list, including Bill Cowher.
- Tim Kavanagh

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
It sure will be interesting to see what happens.
Personally, I don't think this team is playing the style of tight disciplined football in all aspects of the game for the full 60 minutes.
Injuries are a factor, but we are still healthier than many teams. but we have too many turnovers, give up too many big plays and our special teams is aweful.
Lets be honest, these are all areas that Coughlin focuses on, yet they are still big problems deep into the team's Coughlin's 7th season. If Coughlin is to be fired, this would be one of the key factors.
I am a bit each way about it, sure Coughlin is a very good coach, and sure the NY media is fickle but what matters is results. Maybe it is time for a new coach with his new approach on things?
Personally, I don't think this team is playing the style of tight disciplined football in all aspects of the game for the full 60 minutes.
Injuries are a factor, but we are still healthier than many teams. but we have too many turnovers, give up too many big plays and our special teams is aweful.
Lets be honest, these are all areas that Coughlin focuses on, yet they are still big problems deep into the team's Coughlin's 7th season. If Coughlin is to be fired, this would be one of the key factors.
I am a bit each way about it, sure Coughlin is a very good coach, and sure the NY media is fickle but what matters is results. Maybe it is time for a new coach with his new approach on things?

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
Sure, the Giants could end on a collapse and TC could be on the way out but I don't think it is likely to happen.
Firstly, This years Giants team hasn't given up by any means.
Yes, they had a major collapse against the eagles but let's not forget that they also physically beat up the three teams before them. They also beat up the eagles for 3 out of 4 quarters last week.
Now I'm no mathematician but it seems to me that the Giants beat up their opposition the last 15 out of 16 quarters. That's not too shabby.
Playing against the Packers this week will be no freebie though. The Giants are hungry and will have to go earn it. I believe they will.
However, I also believe if they don't win this week then they don't win next week against the skins. A loss against the packers will kill their morale. Skins would play hungry knowing they could crush the Giants playoff hopes.
Firstly, This years Giants team hasn't given up by any means.
Yes, they had a major collapse against the eagles but let's not forget that they also physically beat up the three teams before them. They also beat up the eagles for 3 out of 4 quarters last week.
Now I'm no mathematician but it seems to me that the Giants beat up their opposition the last 15 out of 16 quarters. That's not too shabby.
Playing against the Packers this week will be no freebie though. The Giants are hungry and will have to go earn it. I believe they will.
However, I also believe if they don't win this week then they don't win next week against the skins. A loss against the packers will kill their morale. Skins would play hungry knowing they could crush the Giants playoff hopes.

56 Crazed Dogs- Hall of Famer

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
I am not so sure, call it a hunch.
Coughlin has been a very good coach for us, but I think there are some areas of concern in the front office.
I think if the team doesn't win Coughlin's future will be tenuous. This is a very key game.
Coughlin has been a very good coach for us, but I think there are some areas of concern in the front office.
I think if the team doesn't win Coughlin's future will be tenuous. This is a very key game.

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
Big_Pete wrote:
I think if the team doesn't win Coughlin's future will be tenuous. This is a very key game.
yes, there will be a lot to talk about if the Giants don't win this game.

56 Crazed Dogs- Hall of Famer

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
Geez Pete you've been wanting to talk about firing TC since the start of the season. If they lose vs the Packers I'll talk about it.

Pizan- All-Pro

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
Pizan wrote:Geez Pete you've been wanting to talk about firing TC since the start of the season. If they lose vs the Packers I'll talk about it.
I actually like Coughlin
all I am saying is that if we lose this week, the scrutiny will be turned up

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
I don't know why everyone is so quick to throw Coughlin on flames.
Even in 2007 when the Giants beat the perfect Pats TC was under fire for much of that season. Maybe it's just a NY big market thing.
I can't wait to see the first time Big mouth Rex has a sub par season.
TC hasn't been perfect but he's only had one losing season since he's been with the Giants and that was in his first year.
Given an adequate defensive coordinator, he's proved what this team is capable of doing. Continuity can be tough when you lose good coaches (unless your the pats)
Even in 2007 when the Giants beat the perfect Pats TC was under fire for much of that season. Maybe it's just a NY big market thing.
I can't wait to see the first time Big mouth Rex has a sub par season.
TC hasn't been perfect but he's only had one losing season since he's been with the Giants and that was in his first year.
Given an adequate defensive coordinator, he's proved what this team is capable of doing. Continuity can be tough when you lose good coaches (unless your the pats)

56 Crazed Dogs- Hall of Famer

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
How do you rate Fewell's performance as DC?
I think there will be serious discussion about Coughlin's future. It is not that Coughlin is a bad coach, but I don't think we are getting the most out of our roster and that new perspective is needed.
Another poster on a different forum pretty much sums up Coughlin pretty well imho
To be fair, I think Coughlin is one of the better coaches in the league at player development. A big reason why we don't have many busts is because Coughlin's approach works very well with developing young players.
The problem is, when we develop them, we don't put them in positions to maximize their talent. That's moreso the Xs and Os of coaching. And that has always been an issue under Coughlin.
The man does a great job of developing talent, and managing the team and having his players ready to play and play hard, but he's not the best strategist.

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
So who do you rate as a potential Head Coach?
Bill Cowher
Jeff Fisher
Gary Kubiak
Lesley Frazier
John Fox
Charlie Weis
Russ Grimm
Jason Garrett
Jim Harbaugh
Someone else?
Bill Cowher
Jeff Fisher
Gary Kubiak
Lesley Frazier
John Fox
Charlie Weis
Russ Grimm
Jason Garrett
Jim Harbaugh
Someone else?

Big_Pete- Giants Legend

Re: Tom Coughlin on the Hot Seat
Fewell to me is inconsistent. We may never have another Spags so I have to stop comparing the DC's to him, I'll always be let down. Spags was perfect. He knew when to dial up the blitzes, when to play press man or to play a soft man or switch to zone. He seemed to know everything the offense was about to do and how to stop it. Spags was the man. Fewell will never be a spags but we could be doing much worse. I can't fault him for our incapable LBs either. But 70 some points in the last 5 quarters is a serious problem. Fewell needs to correct it. Lucky for him we play Washington.
If we beat Washington we finish the year as a 10 win team that missed the playoffs (assuming GB wins). Thats really not that bad. If that happens the only way I fire Coughlin is if we have a 99% shot at Bill Cowher. You gotta think, losing a coach like Cowher to another team just to keep Coughlin around another year is definitely weighing in on the decision. Also, getting Cowher is much less of a risk than firing TC for an unproven or already failed once coach like the guys on your list, Pete.
Cowher is returning to coaching next season. Mark my words. He lost his wife to cancer this past summer and his girls are in college. He's ready to return to coaching. But with that said, I think the 49ers job is much more appealing. Jed York will be willing to give Cowher the control he'll want and the team is already set for a 3-4 defense which he prefers. The only problem I see with that is that Cowher is an East coast guy. Played college/pro, coached, and retired all on the east coast.
If we lose against the skins, A change is needed and i'll talk about the other coaches at that time.
If we beat Washington we finish the year as a 10 win team that missed the playoffs (assuming GB wins). Thats really not that bad. If that happens the only way I fire Coughlin is if we have a 99% shot at Bill Cowher. You gotta think, losing a coach like Cowher to another team just to keep Coughlin around another year is definitely weighing in on the decision. Also, getting Cowher is much less of a risk than firing TC for an unproven or already failed once coach like the guys on your list, Pete.
Cowher is returning to coaching next season. Mark my words. He lost his wife to cancer this past summer and his girls are in college. He's ready to return to coaching. But with that said, I think the 49ers job is much more appealing. Jed York will be willing to give Cowher the control he'll want and the team is already set for a 3-4 defense which he prefers. The only problem I see with that is that Cowher is an East coast guy. Played college/pro, coached, and retired all on the east coast.
If we lose against the skins, A change is needed and i'll talk about the other coaches at that time.

Pizan- All-Pro

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